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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
And where as I alleged / that it is not safe in so weighty a matter, to commit that to the power of one, which may be with less danger done by many: he goeth about to prove / that the bishop is off all other fittest for that matter. Wherein observe / that the D. is quite goon from the cause. For the question is not / whether he be off others most fit: but whether it be fit that he alone should do it. So that if he will have it a reason against the cause / this it is: The bishop is more able then any one / to make a good examination / therefore more able to make it then a great sort: more able to make it then any one / therefore more able to make it alone / then when he hath other joined with him. Which is all one / as if he should have said: The right hand is more apt to do things then the left / therefore it is better they be done by it alone / then with the help off the left. I do not here take exception / against the long experience in thes things, which he saith the bishop hath: yet he cannot have it at his first ordering of ministers: and others might have it as well as he / if the examination were as well permitted unto them / as unto him. I meddle not also with the bishops either sound learning, or ruled affections: which what they be in some / is well known / what they may be (considering that they be not tied to the rochet) it is easy to be considered: Let him be as well experienced / learned / affected / as such a bishop may be: yet hath he won nothing by all this / but that the bishop ought not to be shut out / in this examination.
And where as I alledged / that yt is not safe in so vveightie a mater, to cōmit that to the powre of one, vvhich may be vvith lesse daunger doone by many: he goeth abowt to proue / that the bishoppe is off all other fittest for that matter. Wherin obserue / that the D. is quyte goone from the cause. For the question is not / whether he be off others most fytt: but vvhether yt be fytt that he alone shoulde doe it. So that if he will haue it a reasone againste the cause / this yt is: The bishoppe is more hable then any one / to make a good examination / therfore more hable to make yt then a great sorte: more hable to make yt then any one / therfore more hable to make yt alone / then when he hath other ioyned with him. Which is all one / as iff he shoulde haue saide: The righte hande is more apte to doe thinges then the lefte / therfore yt is better they be doone by yt alone / then with the helpe off the lefte. I doe not here take exception / againste the longe experience in thes thinges, which he saithe the bishoppe hathe: yet he cannot haue it at his first orderīge of ministers: ād others mighte haue yt as wel as he / if the examinatiō were as well permitted vnto thē / as vnto him. I medell not also with the bishopes either sounde learning, or ruled affections: which what they be in some / is well knowen / what theye maye be (consideringe that they be not tied to the rochet) yt is easie to be considered: Let him be as well experienced / learned / affected / as suche a bishopp maie be: yet hath he wonne nothinge by all this / but that the bishopp owght not to be shute oute / in this examination.