A18080:317
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Y• followeth not / because civill matters which touch the commodity off this life / may be committed to one: therefore ecclesiastical also / which concern the life to come / may be so hazarded. Nay for so much as mans insight into civil affairs / and judgement in them / is sharper then in matters pertaining to the church: it is clear / that there ye more help required in thes / then in the other. Besides that / when as princes by taking counsels unto them in their weighty affairs off the whole realm / and for better deciding off private mens causes / appoint whole be• ches off Justices / standing off five / or six: they do sufficiently declare thereby / how they have the Judgement off one (be he never so wise) greatly in suspicion off error.
Y• followethe not / because ciuill matters whiche touche the commoditie off this liffe / maie be committed to one: therfore ecclesiasticall also / whiche concerne the liffe to come / maie be so hazarded. Nay for so muche as mās insighte into ciuille affaires / and iudgement in them / is sharper then in matters perteininge to the churche: it is cleare / that there ye more helpe required in thes / then in the other. Besides that / when as princes by takinge counsailes vnto them in their weightie affaires off the whole realme / and for better deciding off priuate mens causes / appoincte whole be• ches off Iustices / standing off fiue / or sixe: they doo sufficiently declare therby / howe they haue the Iudgement off one (be he neuer so wise) greatly in suspition off error.
It is sufficient that the prover be off moo eyes seeing better then one, be true for the most part / which is the nature off a proverb: And in making off laws / the law giver respecteth what is for the most part expedient / and not that which may be good some times. For otherwise it might be said / the bishop should not meddle with the election / but his chaplain: because it may happen / that he is more able to meddle in that matter / then the bishop: It is no small outrage you do the church off God / to account off it / as off an ignorant multitude. For onlesse you mean the church / when you say / then a thousand other which be ignorant: you speak beside the matter / seeing we do not permit either examination / or election off the ministers to every multitude / and blind assembly: but unto those only / which make an open / and clear profession off the truth. Therefore your glorious / and great speeches always off the Bishops / are affectioned / and aspire somewhither.