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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
It is sufficient that the prover be off moo eyes seeing better then one, be true for the most part / which is the nature off a proverb: And in making off laws / the law giver respecteth what is for the most part expedient / and not that which may be good some times. For otherwise it might be said / the bishop should not meddle with the election / but his chaplain: because it may happen / that he is more able to meddle in that matter / then the bishop: It is no small outrage you do the church off God / to account off it / as off an ignorant multitude. For onlesse you mean the church / when you say / then a thousand other which be ignorant: you speak beside the matter / seeing we do not permit either examination / or election off the ministers to every multitude / and blind assembly: but unto those only / which make an open / and clear profession off the truth. Therefore your glorious / and great speeches always off the Bishops / are affectioned / and aspire somewhither. ⟨p. CXXXI⟩For if they preceded off the fear off God: it can not be / but that fear of God / and spirit of humility / which taught you to speak so of them: would have spoken much more reverently off the church / whose servants they ought to be. And when you say / or that in such matters be far inferior to him: if you mean ten thousand off those which be off the church: the voice is strange / and needed some reasons to acquaint us with it: especially seeing it toucheth (as you think) the cause. But you wander still / and the prover be you confute not. For let it be / that the bishop seeth more then 10000. off the church (which proportion being more unequal / then that between the sun / and the moon / carieth with it a sent off the popish insolencie) admit I say that the bishops eye be so good: yet if the church have any eye at all / that being joined with his / will see better then his alone. And that is the meaning of the proverb / not to compare one good eye with many bad: but to show / that that which alone i• able to do somewhat / with company / and help is able to do it better. And therefore oneles you will have your bishop so full off sight / that he can leave no thing unseen: and to have received the spirit without measure / which is only proper unto our saviour Christ:
It is sufficient that the prouer be off moo eies seinge better then one, be trewe for the moste parte / which is the nature off a prouerbe: And in makinge off lawes / the lawe giuer respecteth what is for the most parte expediēte / and not that whiche maie be good some times. For otherwise it might be saied / the bishoppe shoulde not medle withe the election / but his chapleine: because yt may happen / that he is more hable to medle in that matter / then the bishoppe: It is no smale owtrage yowe doe the churche off God / to accounte off yt / as off an ignorante multitude. For onlesse yowe meane the churche / when yowe saye / then a thowsand other whiche be ignorant: yowe speake beside the matter / seing wee doe not permitte either examination / or election off the ministers to euery multitude / and blinde assemblie: but vnto those onely / whiche make an open / and cleare profession off the trewthe. Therefore yowre glorious / and great speaches alwaies off the Bishoppes / are affectioned / and aspire somewhether.