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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
And where you say / there was no such thing as prayer in the […] off the Acts: it is a token you have little truth in you / which will deny that which is expressed manifestly in the text. for although S. Luke doeth not declare / what were the words they used: 1yet there being prayer made for them there was such a thing. That in the 1. Act. two were presented for one office / that was / that way might be made to the divine election by lot: that one only was taken / was because there was but one place void. That in the sixth of the acres 7. were presented / was / because the church was thought to have need off so many / for the provision off their poor: that all were ordained / was for that the Apostles liked well off them all. Be there yet any more behind? I looked when you should say / that in the first off the acts there was a bowte six score / in the sixth almost six thousand: there but eleven Apostles / here twelve: there speaking with one tongue / here with many. For the matters in controversy / that is to say / whether the peoples consent is to be had / &c. Thes differences would have served you / as well as those: and possibly if they had taken you in the head / you would never have let them go / without giving some tribute to the lengthening off your book. But in all this diversity you reckon up / there is a perpetual harmony against the election made by one bishop: against the ambition off the elder which thrusteth out his fellow elders: against the church robbers / especially which bend there force / to spoil the people of there consent / in election off their ministers. If you had showed any diversity in this: you might have helped your cause somewhat.
And where yow saie / ther was no suche thinge as praier in the 〈…〉 off the Actes: yt is a token yow haue litle truthe in yow / whiche will denie that whiche is expressed manifestly in the texte. for although S. Luke doeth not declare / what were the wordes they vsed: 1yet there being praier made for them there was suche a thinge. That in the 1. Act. twoo were presented for one office / that was / that waie mighte be made to the deuine election by lotte: that one onely was taken / was becawse there was but one place voide. That in the sixte of the acres 7. were presented / was / becawse the church was thowght to haue neede off so manie / for the prouysion off their poore: that all were ordeined / was for that the Apostels liked well off them all. Be there yet any more behinde? I loked when yow shoulde saye / that in the firste off the actes there was a bowte sixe score / in the sixte almoste six thowsande: there but eleuen Apostles / here twelue: there speaking withe one tonge / here with many. For the matters in controuersy / that is to saie / whether the peoples consente is to be had / &c. Thes differences woulde haue serued yow / as well as those: and possiblie yf they had taken yow in the heade / yowe woulde neuer haue let them goe / withowt giuing some tribute to the lengthening off your boke. But in all this diuersitie yow recken vp / there is a perpetual harmonie againste the election made by one bishope: againste the ambition off the elder which thrusteth owte his fellowe elders: against the church robbers / especially which bende ther force / to spoile the people of ther consente / in election off their ministers. Yf yowe had shewed any diuersitie in this: yow mighte haue helped your cause somewhat.