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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
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and asking what that was he answereth amongest other this / that nether pastors, nor Deacons should be thrust upon the flock against the vvill thereof. And after in the same chapter he saith plainly: that it is tyranny, that the governors off the church, should be given unto the church, without the consent thereof: also that it belongeth to the Presbytery / to choose the offices off the church / when they be void. There are a number off moe places to be found in him / to this purpose / that I may leave out hear it. epistle in his book of epist. (because I suppose it is in every mans hands) which is most clear for the deciding of this controversy.
and asking what that was he answereth amongest other this / that nether pastors, nor Deacons shoulde be thruste vppon the flocke againste the vvill theroff. And after in the same chapiter he saithe plainely: that it is tyranny, that the gouuernours off the churche, shoulde be geuen vnto the churche, vvithovvte the consent theroff: also that it belongethe to the Presbytery / to choose the offices off the churche / when they be voide. There are a nomber off moe places to be foūde in hī / to this pourpose / that I may leaue owt heare it. epistle in his boke of epist. (because I suppose yt is in euery mans handes) which is moste cleare for the deciding of this cōtrouersie.
To come therefore to the examination off this dealing: first in that he saith / that it had been a dangerous error, if S. Peter had ⟨p. CXXXVI⟩done any thing off his own authority, without the assistance of other the Apostles: in that he saith / that Timothy had not, not only not the election off the ministers, but not the ordination in his power, but that which he did / he did in the name off the rest off the eldership: and in that he saith / it belongeth chiefly to the office of the elders, to choose the offices of the church, as oft as they be void: and addeth / that he never found in any Christian church established, that kind off election which is in the power one: it is clear / that he utterly condemneth 1