The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

This reason is altogether different from the second. For although he were by never so many / and never so well examined: yet were it unlawful for the Bishop / to admit him / as this third reason doth suppose / that is to say / upon the credit of the Archdeacon, without his own knowledge. which I do not gather off the words off the Archdeacons presentation (as you would make me) but off the answer of the bishop / Take heed that the persons whom you present unto us, be apt, and meet for their godly conversation, to exercise their ministry duly, to the honour off God, and edifying off the church. which words whether they have that sense / which I allege: I leave to all men to judge off. the form off the universities presentation, helpeth you not: because there is no such answer made by them again unto the presenter / upon which I ground my argument. and it maketh much against you. For I doubt not / but that form of presentation / by some one of that faculty / whereof the presented person is / was therefore brought in: because neither all the university / to whom he is presented / nor the vice-chancellor / off whom he is to be admitted / can always take knowledge off his sufficiency / for the degree he asketh. As the vice-chancellor being ⟨p. CXLIIII⟩a lawyer / neither he / nor diverse other off the university / off them selves are able to judge / whether he be meet to practise in physic: but are driven to stay upon the faith off the presenter, so that you likening herein the Archdeacons presentation to the universities: do thereby confirm / that bishops admittance is oftentimes suspended / off the trust of the Archdeacon. I would you had that reverence of the holy scriptures / that you pretend often: we should then pass this controversy easily. But for the place whereof it is ¹said I make a shipman's hose: it shall be seen / how truly you have spoken. For the declaration whereof / I take the 10. verse off that chap. For when S. Paul saith / let them first be tried, and then minister: it is as much as he should say / that he should not apply them to the ministry / before they were tried. Whereupon I conclude / that if that place command Timothy / that he should not apply any to the ministry / before trial: the same implieth / that he should try them.

This reason is altogither different from the seconde. For althowghe he were by neuer so many / and neuer so well examined: yet were it vnlawfull for the Bishop / to admit him / as this third reason dothe suppose / that is to saie / vppon the credit of the Archedeacon, vvithovvt his ovvne knovvledge. vvhiche I doo not gather off the wordes off the Archedeacons presentation (as yow would make me) but off the answere of the bishop / Take heede that the persons vvhom yovv present vnto vs, be apte, and meete for their godly conuersation, to exercise their ministeri devvly, to the honor off God, and edifyinge off the churche. vvhich vvordes vvhether they haue that sense / vvhiche I alledge: I leaue to all men to iudge off. the forme off the vniuersities presentation, helpethe yow not: because there is no suche answere made by them againe vnto the presenter / vpon whiche I grounde my argument. and yt maketh muche against yow. For I dowte not / but that forme of presentation / by some one of that facultie / wheroff the presented person is / was therfore browght in: because neither all the vniuersitie / to whom he is presented / nor the vicechauncelor / off whom he is to be admitted / can allwaies take knowledge off his sufficiency / for the degree he asketh. As the vicechancelor beinge