The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

for so much as any other mans trial without his own / is no trial whereupon he might proceed / to the applying of them to the ministry: especially considering that otherwise / he should offend against that which he forbiddeth in another ¹place / off sudden laying on of hands. And if it be said / that it is to be understanded of the deacons: the answer is that if he command that off the deacons election / much more he requireth it in the Bishops. And whereas he saith / I am still contrary to my self: I ask him wherein? In that forsooth I thereby conclude / that the bishop should be the examiner. where did I ever deny it? But if he think any thing grow unto the lord bishops / or that therefore the bishop alone may examine and ordain / because I grant that he hath interest in booth he hath overcast / the sum is not so great. To show that the same ought to be the examiners / that are the choosers / it is sufficient to have showed it in one: the law being the same in all / which is in one. That it can not be restrained unto Timothy alone / which S. Paul commandeth him to do: and that he was no bishop / but an Evangelist: shall be handled hereafter. You that charge me with contrariety / where there is no colour: must be here this second time admonished off off this fault / in this short section. for in affirming not once / ⟨p. CXLV⟩nor twice / that those things which touch the election is that epistle, are spoken unto Timothy alone: you affirm that plainly / which you deny unto me / that is / that S. Paul maketh the same the ordainers / and examiners.

for so muche as any other mans triall withowt his owne / is no triall wherupon he might proceede / to the applyinge of them to the ministery: especially considering that otherwise / he should offend against that which he forbiddeth in another ¹place / off sodeine laying on of handes. And if it be said / that it is to be vnderstanded of the deacons: the answere is that iff he commaunde that off the deacons election / muche more he requirethe it in the Bishops. And wheras he saithe / I am still contrary to my selfe: I aske him wherin? In that forsoothe I therby conclude / that the bishop should be the examiner. where did I euer denie it? But if he thinke any thinge grow vnto the lord bishops / or that therfore the bishopp alone may examine and ordeine / because I graunt that he hathe interest in booth he hathe ouercast / the summe is not so great. To shew that the same owght to be the examiners / that are the chusers / it is sufficient to haue shewed it in one: the law beinge the same in all / which is in one. That it can not be restreined vnto Timothy alone / which S. Paul commaundeth him to doo: and that he was no bishop / but an Euangelist: shalbe handled hereafter. Yow that charge me with contrarietie / wher there is no coulor: must be here this second time admonished off off this faulte / in this short section. for in affirminge not once /