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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where he saith / none is admitted of the bishop / which hath 1not dwelt a convenient time in his dioceses: The scholars of Cambridge go indifferently for orders (as they call them) either to Ely / or Bugden / or Peterborough / and sometime to London: and I am sure they can no have dwelt in all their dioceses. Therefore either there is no such law / or it is cuill kept. And what will you do with ⟨p. CXLIX⟩the Archbishop: may he not ordain in his province? so that if you think the diocese so narrow a place / as all those that dwell in it may take sufficient trial off him that is to be ordained: yet you answer nothing for the largeness off the province. To whom is that singular person borne out off time / and in a dark corner of the bishops chapel before the rest / to whom (I say) is his ability so sufficiently known? if to the Bishop so ought all the rest: to others off the diocese / how can he? And where doth the book prescribe any such rule / that for some such singular person / there may be such a dark election? so that for any thing that I know / it is still at the bishops pleasure. Sure I am there have been in that sort admitted / which for any singularity that gave them any commendation to the ministry / might have well been in the tail / with a number of the rest.
Where he saithe / none is admitted of the bishop / which hath 1not dwelt a conuenient time in his dioses: The scolers of Cambridge go indifferently for orders (as they call them) either to Elie / or Bugden / or Peterborowghe / and sometime to London: and I am sure they can no haue dwelt in all their dioses. Therfore either there is no suche law / or it is cuill kept. And what will yow doe with ⟨p. CXLIX⟩the Archebishopp: may he not ordeine in his prouince? so that if yow thinke the diocese so narrowe a place / as all those that dwell in yt may take sufficient triall off him that is to be ordeined: yet yow answere nothing for the largenesse off the prouince. To vvhom is that singulier person borne owt off time / and in a darke corner of the bishops chappell before the rest / to vvhom (I saie) is his habilitie so sufficiently knowen? if to the Bishop so owght all the rest: to others off the diocese / how can he? And vvher dothe the booke prescribe any suche rule / that for some suche singuler person / there may be suche a darke election? so that for any thing that I know / it is still at the bishops pleasure. Sure I am there haue bene in that sort admitted / vvhich for any singularitie that gaue them any commendation to the ministerie / might haue well bene in the taile / vvith a nomber of the reste.