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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
The next reason is / that we read off none deposed from their ministry in the new testament, although they were found in many things guilty. is it not lawful for us / to reason against the unlawfulness off a thing / for that it is not in none off both the testaments / neither directly / not indirectly / neither expressedly / nor conteinedly: and shall you conclude negatively / upon the examples only off the new Testament? The new Testament maketh mention off notable 1Harlots / and those also which were off the church / and yet it maketh no mention that either they received any civill / or ecclesiastical correction: therefore (by your reason) notable Harlots / are not to be punished / either with civill / or ecclesiastical correction.
The next reason is / that we reade off none deposed from their ministerie in the new testament, althowghe they were founde in manie thinges giltie. is it not lawfull for vs / to reason against the vnlawfullnes off a thing / for that yt is not in none off bothe the testamentes / neither directly / not indirectlie / neither expressedly / nor conteinedly: and shall yow conclude negatiuely / vppon the examples onelie off the new Testament? The new Testament makethe mention off notable 1Harlots / and those also whiche were off the churche / and yet yt makethe no mention that either they receiued any ciuill / or ecclesiasticall correction: therfore (by your reason) notable Harlots / are not to be punished / either with ciuill / or ecclesiasticall correction.
But Christ knew Judas to be a traitor, and yet he did not depose him: so he knew him to be a traitor / when he chose him. Therefore if this be a good reason / that a traitor to God and the gospel should not be deposed: it hath the same force to prove / that a traitor may be chosen to the ministry. Moreover / Judas was admitted to the lords supper / therefore if this reason will serve to prove / that a traitor should not be deposed: it is good to prove / that he may be also received to the lords table. Judas treason was as yet hidden / there were no witnesses off it / and therefore by no law off God / either civill / or ecclesiastical / could be proceeded against. For the law off God in all ecclesiastical / and civill punishments / requireth either confession by the party / off the fault which is committed / or else proof by witness.