A18080:467
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Where you say / that by this means it signifieth not to ordain by suffrages: in deed in this place it can not / considering that our Saviour Christ was but one. But where you would conclude 1thereof / that Paul, and Barnabas by their voices only chose the ministers, and elders: It is further a sunder / then ever you can set together. here you must be admonished / that where the most off your witnesses did forsake you before: you be here forsaken off them all. For there is never a one off the new writers especially / named of us both: but upon that place off the Aces / hath in plain words approved the election by the church.
Where yow saie / that by this means yt signifieth not to ordeine by suffrages: in deede in this place yt can not / consideringe that our Sauiour Christe was but one. But vvhere yow vvoulde conclude 1therof / that Paule, and Barnabas by their voices onely chose the ministers, and elders: Yt is further a sunder / then euer yow can sett together. heere yow muste be admonished / that where the moste off yowr witnesses did forsake yow before: yow beheere forsaken off them all. For there is neuer a one off the newe vvriters especially / named of vs bothe: but vppon that place off the Aces / hathe in plaine wordes approued the election by the churche.
- 1Act. 14.
Secondly the person off our Saviour Christ which chose / with whom none might be joined in commission / and the person off the Apostles / which could not be chosen of any but off God: did sufficiently off them selves / without further addition / argue the sole election off our Saviour Christ. But in the 14. Acts / seeing nether the Apostles which did choose / were such as might not be accompanied off the church / nor the Ministers that were chosen off such degree / as might not likewise fall into the choice off the church: and considering also that all the elections off the ministry spoken off before / in which the Apostles had to do / were by consent of the church: it is clear that if S. Lukes meaning had been / to tie this election as straight unto Pau. and Barn. as the other to our Sau. Christ: he would have put in words which might as clearly have declared that meaning in this / as the circumstances of the persons do in the other.