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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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they must off necessity run into suspicion off all those vices / which contemning the judgement off the churches / make such elections off their own authority.
they muste off necessirie runne into suspicion off all those vices / vvhiche contemninge the iudgemente off the churches / make suche elections off their owne autoritie.
Where you say / that Saint Paul might have chosen them him self, if he would: I say that it is untrue / and a manifest begging of that in controversy. And to say so is as much / as if you had said: he might have hazarded his good estimation if he would / and left it at the courtesy off quarrellers / which sought every occasion of speaking evil of his ministry Beside that you must understand / that in the government of the churches / the Apostles were governed by the spirit of God: whose counsel when this was / it was no more lawful for him to refuse it / than to disobey the ⟨p. CCXI⟩lord. Touching the untruth he chargeth me with / in that I said / 1the church chose 1. Act. it is before answered. And it is a vain quarrel of the A. that there was no election off the church, because an Apostle may not be chosen by men. As though I had not set down before / when I spake off that election / that I mean not the choice / which was made off one out off those two: but the choice off those two out of the whole church: not that choice which determined / the Apostleship / but which determined / who they should stand for the Apostleship. And if no election of the church can be said to have been in the first off the Acts / because an Apostle can not be chosen off any / but off God alone: then can not the Apostles (which the D. affirmeth) be said to have chosen Matthias and Barnabas / out of the rest off the church.
Where yow saie / that Saint Paule mighte have chosen them him selfe, if he woulde: I saie that it is vntrue / ād a manifeste begginge of that in controuersie. And to saie so is asmuche / as if yow had saide: he mighte haue hazarded his good estimacion if he woulde / and lefte it at the curteousye off quarellers / which sowghte euery occasion of speakinge euil of his ministerie Beside that yow muste vnderstande / that in the gouernmente of the churches / the Apostels vvere gouerned by the spirite of God: whose counsaile when this was / it was no more lawful for him to refuse yt / thē to disobey the