A18080:478
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
In the 1. 2. 3. sections off this division / he hath filled up almost 1a whole side / wherein there is nothing at all / which either is not gone before / or cometh not after / and so grossly repeated / without ether new coat / or new colour: that I marvel he is not ashamed. For the places Act. 1. 6. 14. for that also Cor. 8. 2. I have replied before: to the other / answer shall be made in their places. Now then to begin with the falsifying you charge me with / I say that although I have not given you the same words: yet I have given you the same weight / and I acknowledge you for no M. of the tongue / by whose authority I should be bound / to the same words which you use. I have not taken you / as you do me at the worst: but I have given your words a favorabler meaning / then they deserve / because I perceived that you meant to comprehend Cyprian's times / although your words even to Cyprian's time, would not so well bear it. It is disputed whether this word until, or unto, doth shut out / or shut in the time whereof it is spoken: but there was never I think any / that doubted whether that saying in common speech / might be stretched out / beyond that time whereunto it is particularly applied. Notwithstanding your words are yet more restreintive. For it restraineth more to say / even to such a time: then to say simply / until such a time. for that increase off the word even, maketh the wall off separation higher.
In the 1. 2. 3. sections off this diuision / he hathe filled vp allmost 1a whole side / wherin ther is nothinge at all / which either is not gone before / or commeth not after / and so grosly repeted / withowte ether newe coate / or newe colour: that I meruaile he is not ashamed. For the places Act. 1. 6. 14. for that also Cor. 8. 2. I haue replied before: to the other / answere shall be made in their places. Now then to begin̄e with the falsifyinge yow charge me with / I saie that althowghe I haue not gyuen yow the same wordes: yet I haue gyuē yow the same weighte / and I acknowledge yow for no M. of the tonge / by whose autoritie I shoulde be bound / to the same wordes which yow vse. I haue not taken yow / as yow doo me at the worste: but I haue gyuen yowr wordes a fauorabler meaninge / then they deserue / bycause I perceiued that yow mente to comprehende Cyprians tymes / althowgh yowr wordes euen to Cyprians time, woulde not so well beare it. yt is disputed whether this worde vntyll, or vnto, dothe shutte owte / or shut in the tyme wheroff it is spoken: but there was neuer I think anie / that dowbted vvhether that sayinge in cōmon speach / mighte be stretched owte / beyonde that time wherunto it is particularly applied. Notwithstanding yowr wordes are yet more restreintiue. For yt restreineth more to saie / euen to suche a time: then to saie simplie / vntill suche a time. for that encrease off the worde euen, makethe the wall off separation higher.