The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

He saith also / that afterwards the people did permit the judgement, and choice off other orders likewise unto the ⟨p. CCXVII⟩bishop, and elders, except the bishopric, or when any new elders were appointed. where first it maketh directly against you / that in times paste not so much as a poor Exorcist / or reader was chosen / without the consent off the people. Secondly / that he saith Cyprian did excuse him self unto the people / that he had chosen Aurelius: implying thereby that although he had some reason / to lead him to do so: yet he was in the peoples danger. Thirdly / that it was the peoples right / in that they permitted this power unto others. Fourthly / that this right was given to the elders / and not to the bishop alone / as you would have it. Last of all / that both the choice of the bishop / and elder remained in the power off the people. Wherefore you untruly report / when you say / that the people committed the choice unto the bishops, and elders: except it were in the election off the bishop. For although he say so / immediately after he addeth. Except peradventure new elders were appointed to the parishes: for then the multitude off the place, must namely consent. And after he saith / Although in the elders always the consent off the citizens was required. Hitherto appeareth / that all the elections ¹were made by consent off the people: if otherwise / by their courtesy / or (as master Calvin in an other place note the) negligence.

He saith also / that aftervvardes the people did permitte the iudgemente, and choise off other orders likevvise vnto the ⟨p. CCXVII⟩bishope, and elders, excepte the bishoppricke, or vvhē any nevve elders vvere appoincted. where firste yt makethe directly againste yow / that in times paste not so muche as a poore Exorciste / or reader was chosen / withowte the consente off the people. Secondly / that he saithe Cyprian did excuse him selfe vnto the people / that he had chosen Aurelius: implyinge therby that althowghe he had some reason / to leade him to doo so: yet he was in the peoples daunger. Thirdly / that yt was the peoples righte / in that they permitted this powre vnto others. Fourthly / that this righte was giuē to the elders / ād not to the bishop alone / as yowe woulde haue yt. Laste of all / that bothe the choise of the bishoppe / and elder remained in the powre off the people. Wherfore yow vntrwly reporte / when yow saie / that the people committed the choise vnto the bishopes, and elders: excepte yt were in the election off the bishoppe. For althowghe he saie so / immediatly after he addethe. Excepte peraduenture nevve elders vvere appoincted to the parishes: for then the multitude off the place, muste namely consente. And after he saith / Althovvghe in the elders alvvaies the consente off the cytisens vvas required. Hytherto appeareth / that all the elections