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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where you say / that I forget my self which suppose now the church may err, that said before it was spiritual, and judgeth all things: if you could forget this untrue dealing / I remembered my self well enough. Thes cavils which come so often / without any colour off truth / are utterly unworthy off answer: but as I have said in another place / require rather a censor / then a disputer. Howbeit because there is nothing so unsavoury / which some taste may not be abused by. I have answered it before.
Where yow saie / that I forgett my selffe which suppose now the churche maie err, that said before yt was spirituall, and iudgeth all thinges: if yow coulde forget this vntrue dealinge / I remembred my selfe well enowghe. Thes cauilles which come so often / without any colour off trewth / are vtterly vnworthy off answer: but as I haue saide in another place / require rather a censor / then a disputer. Howbeit becawse there is nothinge so vnsauerie / which some taste maie not be abused by. I haue answered yt before.
There is nothing so easy which is not hard / to him that is unwilling. And therefore the A as Solomons sluggard, saith 1that the Lion whose delight is in the forest / and in the wilderness / is in the high street, or in the burse: that is to say / maketh difficulties where none is. And as this partly cometh of his unwillingness: so divers of thes questions (if he do not dissemble) come of want off knowledge / not only of the government of the churches now / but off all ancient times. For he asketh / who shall complain off the fault committed in the election, to the churches by? if the elders to whom that care especially appertaineth / do not: others ought whom that disorder offendeth. There needeth no calling together, and therefore no danger off tumult, disorder, confusion, ⟨p. CCXXXIII⟩charges, parts taking, running up and down, loss off time, offence, quarrels: it is enough that it be done by the eldership off the churches and if were needful to have the churches / whole consent: it might be done in ordinary meeting for the service of god / without any of those things which the D. imagineth. The churches may admonish by their several / or common letters amongst them. But ask me not who shall carry the letter / what he shall have for his pains / whether he shall ride / or go a foot: which you might as well / as those fond questions which you have moved.