A18080:543
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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you have it / that the time off peace draweth no more ignorance in the professors off ⟨p. CCXLV⟩the gospel / then the time of persecution: and therefore the difference between thes times in that point / to be evil assigned. I alleged also / that the elections off the bishops were so evil and of so unfit persons / that although the election off the church should swerve much: yet it can hardly choose worse / then the bishops do / whereunto you answer not.
yow haue it / that the time off peace drawethe no more ignorance in the professors off ⟨p. CCXLV⟩the gospell / then the time of persequution: and therfore the difference between thes times in that poincte / to be euill assigned. I alledged also / that the elections off the bishoppes vvere so euill and of so vnfitte persones / that althowgh the election off the churche shoulde swarue muche: yet it can hardly choose vvorse / then the bishopes doo / wherunto yow answer not.
The distinction of being of the church, and in the church, I brought / and allowed of it: yet as though you had brought 1it / and I refused it / you labour in confirmation of it. But that which needeth your help / and for proof whereof I ask some testimony of scripture / that Idolaters, and papists are in the church, is not proved. As for drunkards / and whoremongers / 2c. It is spoken off before: close papists / and Atheists which dissemble their wickedness / are in the number off Hypocrites / and therefore must be holden to be in the church / until the Lord discover them. For professed Papists / and Atheists / which never made profession off the gospel / it is not needful to wait for the sentence off excommunication to cut them of / seeing they were never of the church. If notwithstanding their professed enmity unto the gospel, they should be accounted off the church, because they agree to hear the word and receive the sacrament with us: then a Turk / or a Jew professing his Turkism / or Judaism / if he be contented to hear the word / and receive the Sacrament / is so also to be accounted. Which if it be absurd / it can be no good reason to say / that they ought therefore to be holden off the church / because they are in some respects content to he are the word / and receive the Sacraments.