The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

T. C. concealed nothing subtly, in leaving out that the ministers ought to be blameless: he left out that which made nothing ether for / or against the purpose. If the A. had considered what I prove out of this place: ether he should have omitted this / or spoken it against his conscience. For I propounded only / that the election off the church / was both in the times of the Christian magistrate / and confirmed by them: and the D. can not deny / but this place proveth that fully. whether it be according to the doctrine of the Apostles / or no: I showed before. Therefore this disputation is with your self / and with nothing which I set down. And if I had so set it down / whether the decree off the Emperor would have borne it out / considering that the sentence which I left / ought to be shut in a parenthesis: I leave it unto the judgement of the reader. As for the reasons which are used for that purpose / the one that he would have said decre•, and not we decree: is answered before. The other of propounding three, out of which one should be known not practised at any time by the Apostles: is not sufficient to prove / that the Emperor did not set before him / their example: seeing that in the principal points / and causes off the election (amongest which the choosers are the efficient) he kept him self unto the election of the Apostles. Yea if it be well considered / it shall be easily perceived / that he stuck too curiously / and precisely unto the election Acts 1. whilst as there were two set up / of which one should be taken: so in a grater multitude he would have three / out of which he would draw one. And although ⟨p. CCLIII⟩the imitation of the doctrine off the Apostles / were only as you would have it / that the most pure should be taken: yet you can not deny / but the Emperor took this to be the best way / to have most incorrupt ministers: that the election should be made by the inhabitants off the city. Howbeit because I propounded only to prove / that elections by the church have been confirmed by Emperors: I will not strive with him in this point / because I will stop up the holes as much as may be / whereat he breaketh out always / from that which is in question.

T. C. concealed nothing subtilely, in leauing owt that the ministers ovvght to be blameles: he lefte owte that which made nothing ether for / or againste the pourpose. If the A. had considered what I proue owt of this place: ether he should haue omitted this / or spoken yt againste his consciēce. For I propounded onelye / that the election off the churche / was both in the times of the Christiā magistrate / and cōfirmed by them: and the D. can not denie / but this place proueth that fully. whether it be according to the doctrine of the Apostles / or no: I shewed before. Therfore this disputation is with your selfe / and with nothing which I set downe. And if I had so set it downe / whether the decree off the Emperour would haue borne yt owt / considering that the sentence which I lefte / owghte to be shut in a parenthesis: I leaue yt vnto the iudgement of the reader. As for the reasons vvhich are vsed for that pourpose / the one that he would haue said decre, and not wee decree: is answered before. Thother of propounding three, owt of which one should be knowen not practised at any tyme by the Apostles: is not sufficient to proue / that the Emperour did not set before him / their example: seing that in the principall poinctes / and causes off the election (amongest which the chusers are the efficient) he kepte him selffe vnto the election of the Apostles. Yea if it be well considered / yt shall be easely perceiued / that he stucke too curiously / and precisely vnto the election Actes 1. whilest as there were two sett vp / of which one should be taken: so in a grater multitude he would haue three / out of which he would drawe one. And althowgh