A18080:581
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where he saith / that the Adm. doth colourably affirm, by thes words the authority is given to the bishop alone, &c. that the right off ordering ministers doth at no hand appertain unto the bishop: I would know what word there is here / where this colour is to be seen: and what light he is able to give us / to make it appear. The other sentence wherewith he would prove it / followeth after / nether was he come unto it. If he did therefore confute that: it is as strange as if a man should shut off / and spend his arrows / or ever he come within the reach off his enemy. And I think there is no example off such confutation / onles he had coupled that place with this / and comparing them together / set upon them both at ones. beside that it is Absurd / that where the Adm. here spake off the election: he answereth off admission.
Where he saith / that the Adm. dothe coulorably affirme, by thes wordes thautoritie is gyuen to the bishopp alone, &c. that the right off orderinge ministers doth at no hand apperteine vnto the bishopp: I would knowe what word there is heere / where this coulor is to bee seene: ād what light he is able to giue vs / to make yt appeare. The other sentence wherwith he woulde proue yt / followeth after / nether was he come vnto yt. Yf he did therfore confute that: it is as straunge as iff a man shoulde shutte off / and spende his arrowes / or euer he come within the reach off his enemie. And I thinke there is no example off suche confutation / onles he had coupled that place with this / and comparinge them together / sett vpon them both at ones. beside that it is Absurde / that where the Adm. heere spake off the election: he answereth off admission.
Here cometh to be considered the A. dealing in the end off the book / where (charged with unfaithfulness for that as in this 1place / he would have in synuated / that the Adm. would have the people choose only) to prove him self guiltless / he allegeth a place of the Adm. wherein it is said / Then the election was made by common consent off the whole church. To this answer I rep• lied / that it was his oversight / that he took the people which is but a part of the church / to be all one with the church which is the whole / containing as well governors of the church / as the people, in which reply the D. crieth out off manifest falsification. Why so? forsooth because I left out this word whole: that is to say / because I spared him / and kept back a piece of his folly / and that with disadvantage off that which I pretended to prove. For the word church simply set down / doth comprehended as well the governors / as the people: how much more doth it comprehend them / when this word whole is added? And if it were falsely concluded off him against the Adm. that they would have the ministers to be called / allowed / and placed off the people / because