The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

After many vain words against the reply unto the places ⟨p. CCLXIX⟩off Timothy / as that it is against the authority off learned writers, against the whole course off the Epistle, against the circumstance off the place: he allegeth that the most off the precepts contained in that epistle, do properly pertain unto Timothy, as he is a bishop. Which is untrue / especially in that sense he taketh a bishop / which the Apostles never knew off: for there shall be scarce two sentences found in the whole epistle / which agree not to every pastor. And set aside those which concern teaching / there are very few not common with him / unto an elder which only governeth. Beside divers belonging unto the whole church / as well as unto him: and some rather to other parts off the church / then unto him, yet if the most should properly belong unto him: how can he prove that the sentence off not laying one off hands rashly / doth only belong unto him? he hath cited many to prove that Saint Paul saith / it doth belong unto the bishop, which is not denied: but that it doth only belong by this place off Saint Paul / which is denied / he hath not one. Nay divers off his authors here alleged / have the contrary off that he pretendeth to prove by them. For Bull. I have said. Calu. denying that ether Paul / or Timothy did any thing in elections / without the consent off the church / touching the bare ceremony off laying on the hands / he doubteth whether it were done by one / or many. And Jerome although he say / that the ordination belonged to the bishop yet I have showed in the former book / that he confesseth that that was by no order of God / or rule of the Apostles (by which he confesseth that the bishops were equal unto the rest of the elders) but only by constitution off men. Therefore he is untruly cited / to confirm that by this place off the Apostle / the bishop hath ether the election / or ordination unto him self.

After many vaine wordes againste the replie vnto the places ⟨p. CCLXIX⟩off Timothe / as that it is against thauthoritie off learned writers, against the whole course off the Epistell, againste the circunstance off the place: he alledgeth that the moste off the preceptes conteined in that epistell, doo properly perteine vnto Timothe, as he is a bishop. Which is vntrwe / especially in that sense he taketh a bishop / which the Apostels neuer knewe off: for there shalbe scarse two sentences found in the whole epistle / which agree not to euery pastor. And set aside those whiche cōcerne teachinge / there are very fewe not commen with him / vnto an elder which onely gouerneth. Beside diuers belonging vnto the whole church / as well as vnto him: and some rather to other partes off the church / then vnto him, yet iff the moste shoulde properly belonge vnto him: howe can he proue that the sentence off not layinge one off handes rashly / doth onele belonge vnto him? he hath cyted many to proue that Saint Paule saith / yt doth belonge vnto the bishop, which is not denied: but that yt doth onely belonge by this place off Saint Paule / which is denied / he hath not one. Nay diuers off his authors heere alledged / haue the contrarie off that he pretendeth to proue by them. For Bull. I haue saide. Calu. denyinge that ether Paule / or Timothe did any thinge in elections / withowt the consent off the church / towching the bare ceremonie off layinge on the handes / he dowteth whether yt were doone by one / or many. And Ierome althowgh he saie / that the ordinacion belonged to the bishop yet I haue shewed in the former booke / that he cōfesseth that that was by no order of God / or rule of the Apostles (by which he confesseth that the bishopps were equall vnto the reste of the elders) but onely by constitutiō off men. Therfore he is vntrwely cited / to confirme that by this place off the Apostell / the bishoppe hath ether the election / or ordination vnto him selffe.