The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

T. C. hath many oversights, because the D. doth not / or will not see / what he setteth down. You had to prove that the election belongeth to the bishop: to conclude that you bring / that he ordained. Thereunto I answered that it followeth not / but rather the contrary / that he ordained / therefore he chose not. I said not simply that the contrary followed / but rather the contrary. Your example of the virtues, is altogether unlike / they being so ••ncked that he that hath one / hath all four: which is not in election ⟨p. CCLXXVI⟩/ and ordination by your own testimony / confessing that the election may be the peoples / but not the ordination. The example off the foot, and hand, declareth manifestly that I reasoned against that false conclusion off yours / which upon that the bishop did ordain / would needs have it follow / that he also elected. You get no advantage in that the word off election / is sometimes taken for ordination / and contrariwise. For although the words be confounded: yet the things remain still separated. And if you think that the right off election is gotten to the bishop / because in steed off saying the bishop ordained / it is said the bishop chose: it followeth that when in steed of saying the people chose / it is said the people ordained / the people also gain the right off ordination. And if you should gain it / yet be you never the nearer your purpose / unless you be able to show / that the bishop alone / without the church did choose / or without the college off elders / and other bishops did ordain. Therefore in making so great account off this / your hooky is greater then your harvest.

T. C. hath many ouersyghtes, because the D. doth not / or will not see / what he setteth downe. Yow had to proue that the election belongeth to the bishoppe: to conclude that yow bringe / that he ordeined. Therunto I answered that yt followeth not / but rather the contrarie / that he ordeined / therfore he chose not. I saide not symplye that the contrarie folowed / but rather the contrary. Your example of the vertues, is altogether vnlyke / they beinge so ••ncked that he that hath one / hath al fowre: which is not in election ⟨p. CCLXXVI⟩/ and ordination by your owne testimonie / confessing that the election may be the peoples / but not the ordination. The example off the foot, and hande, declareth manifestly that I reasoned againste that false conclusion off yours / which vppon that the bishop did ordeine / woulde needes haue yt followe / that he also elected. Yow gett no aduantage in that the worde off election / is sometimes taken for ordination / and cōtrariwise. For althowghe the wordes be confounded: yet the thinges remaine still seperated. And if yow thinke that the right off election is gotten to the bishop / because in steed off saying the bishop ordeined / yt is saide the bishop chose: it foloweth that when in steed of saying the people chose / yt is saide the people ordeined / the people also gaine the right off ordinacion. And iff yow shoulde gaine yt / yet be yow neuer the nerer your pourpose / vnles yow be hable to shewe / that the bishop alone / withowt the church did chuse / or withowt the colledge off elders / ād other bishops did ordeine. Therfore in makinge so great accompte off this / yowr hookie is greater then yowr harveste.