A18080:592
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
You may easily put me out off doubt, off: that which I never doubted / and which I have somewhere confessed: that by the ceremony off laying on off hands, the whole form off ordering is understanded. But off that you should prove / that in that place off Saint Paul it is so understanded (although it is not that / which can hurt our cause) you bring not so much / as may induce ⟨p. CCLXXII⟩unto any the least suspicion. Your reason that he did elect, because he did appoint: is to simple. For albeit to choose be to appoint: yet every one which appointeth / chooseth not: no more then it followeth / that because every man liveth: therefore every thing that liveth / is a man. And I would gladly understand / by what masters off our tongue you can prove / that thes two words to appoint / and to ordain / differ. If they be all one / why seek you advantage in the one / which you can not find in the other? But if it be absurd / to say that ordaining is nothing else but to call, to choose, and to appoint: it is as absurd / that to appoint is nothing else / but to call / to choose / and to ordain.
Yow maie easely put me owte off dowbte, off: that which I neuer dowbted / and which I haue somewhere confessed: that by the ceremonie off layinge on off handes, the whole forme off orderinge is vnderstanded. But off that yow shoulde proue / that in that place off Saint Paule it is so vnderstanded (althowghe yt is not that / which can hurte our cause) yow bringe not so much / as maie induce ⟨p. CCLXXII⟩vnto any the leaste suspiciō. Your reason that he did electe, because he did appoincte: is to symple. For albeit to chuse be to appointe: yet euery one which appointeth / chooseth not: no more then yt followeth / that because euery man liueth: therfore euery thinge that liueth / is a man. And I woulde gladly vnderstand / by what maisters off our tounge yow can proue / that thes two wordes to appoincte / and to ordeine / differ. Iff they be all one / why seeke yow aduantage in the one / which you can not finde in the other? But if it be absurde / to saie that ordeininge is nothinge els but to call, to chuse, and to appoincte: yt is as absurde / that to appoincte is nothinge els / but to call / to chuse / and to ordeine.