A18080:621
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Secondarily if the churches elections should be taken away / because off contentions which happen in them: Monarchies which oft have declined into tyranny / and been abused to oppression off the subjects / should have had an end long a go: and other such most lawful / and necessary aides off this present life / ought to be taken away / as those which are abused. And to come to ecclesiastical affairs / councils by the D. reason ought to have no place in the churches off Christ / off which it is said / 1that there was never seen good issue of them: and that through marvellous ambition / and desire off contention in them / things out off order were not remedied, but made worse.
Secondarily iff the churches elections shoulde be taken awaie / because off cōtentions which happen in them: Monarchies which oft haue declyned into tyrānie / and bene abused to oppression off the subiectes / shoulde haue had an ende long a goe: and other such moste lawfull / and necessarie aides off this present life / owghte to be taken awaie / as those which are abused. And to come to ecclesiasticall affaires / councelles by the D. reason owght to haue no place in the churches off Christe / off which it is saide / 1that there was neuer seen good issue of them: and that throwgh merueilous ambition / and desyre off contention in them / thinges ovvte off order vvere not remedied, but made vvorse.
- 1Nazianz. Ep. 42. ad Procop. Bas. 102. Epist.
Thirdly the examples off the contentions which the D. hath heaped up together / beside that they are in part not off the church with it self / but off the church with heretics / which is her commendation / as in the election off Ambrose: beside that also it is noted specially / that the people off Alexandria was off a Mutinous / and stirring nature / and therefore unjustly objected against the whole estate of the church: beside this I say / thes examples alleged by the Answ. are so far from weakening the churches election / that they make it stronger. For notwithstanding those contentions had / under both Christian magistrates / and Bishops: there was not only no counsel taken / to bar the churches off their election: but were (as hath been showed)