The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

When as also the title off Grace, is given to ecclesiastical persons / which is given unto the prince / and doth not agree unto any under the degree off a Duke / the next unto the prince: I would gladly know what difference there is / between the titles off ecclesiastical persons / and the civill magistrate / so great that he must needs be very blind which doth not see it. And where the D. saith / that ecclesiastical persons may show forth the countenance of their degree: he nether showeth what that is / and must be believed off his bare word / for there is no proof at all. But off the pomp in other things / there shall be (God willing) spoken off afterward.

When as also the tytle off Grace, is gyuen to ecclesiasticall persons / which is gyuen vnto the prince / and doth not agree vnto any vnder the degree off a Duke / the nexte vnto the prince: I vvoulde gladly know vvhat difference there is / betwene the titles off ecclesiasticall persons / and the ciuill magistrate / so great that he muste needes be very blind which doth not see yt. And where the D. saithe / that ecclesiasticall persons may shewe forthe the countenance of their degree: he nether sheweth what that is / and muste be belieued off his bare worde / for there is no profe at all. But off the pompe in other thinges / there shall be (God willing) spoken off afterward.

Where the D. saith it is the point off a Sophister to strive for ⟨p. CCCCIX⟩¹names off things, where there is agreement off the matter: unto the reasons / and examples I alleged to prove / that the very bare ²use off certain names is unlawful / although the things noted by them be not / he answereth not a word. And if those examples be not strong enough / to obtain that at his hands: I would know of him which maketh so small account off names / whether a man which confesseth him self mortal / may be called by the name of Jehovah / &c. The answer to the first proposition is insufficient. I could take exceptions to the examples here alleged / as that thes words I have said you are Gods, are not given unto magistrates that they should be saluted by the name off God / or that one king should be called the God of England / another the god off France (which were not tolerable / and approaching to the pride off Antiochus) but to this end that the authority which they exercise according unto God / might be acknowledged in them: yet I answer generally / that those speeches be therefore lawful / because the Lord in his scripture hath communicated them with men. wherefore if the D. vvill prove that the title off archbishop / proper unto our Saviour Christ / may