The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

The D. answer unto the second proposition by distinction (the ignorance whereof he doth so often times reproach me with) is full of disorder / and hath nothing sound. first it faulteth in that it rendeth a sunder things which can not be separated / and that two ways: one in separating the government of the church by pastors / doctors / &c. from the spiritual. For when the ecclesiastical ministry hath respect to the soul / and conscience: when it is called the ministry off the spirit / spiritual: when they which ⟨p. CCCCX⟩¹[…] it / are called ministers in the kingdom off heave•• when the outward preaching / excommunication / and other discipline ²which they use / be spiritual: this separation off the outward government off the church from the spiritual / and making off them opposite members / doth not distinguish but destroy the government off Christ. The other is that where our Saviour Christ governeth his church spiritually / both with his spirit / and word: he placeth his spiritual government / only in that he toucheth the hearts off his elect, by his spirit. And where our Sau. Christ useth the external ministry off men / not only in distribution off his word / but also off his spirit: the D. maketh the external ministry / to serve only for the dispensation off the word / and not off the spirit. whereas he ought to have considered / that as Christ him self sitting in heaven / now teacheth by the mouth of the ministry: so he giveth also his spirit by the same ministry / in which respect it is called the ministry off the spirit. Seeing therefore the external government off Christ in his church is spiritual / and even that inward touch off the spirit of God / is not ordinarily / but by the subordinate ministries which God hath appointed in his church: it is manifest that that distinction / that Christ hath no subordinate pastors underneath him in the spiritual government, is false.

The D. answer vnto the second proposition by distinction (the ignorance vvheroff he doth so often times reproche me vvith) is full of disorder / and hath nothing sound. first yt faulteth in that yt rendeth a sunder thinges vvhich can not be seperated / and that two waies: one in separating the gouernement of the church by pastors / doctors / &c. from the spirituall. For vvhen the ecclesiasticall ministrie hath respecte to the sowle / and conscience: when yt is called the mynisterie off the spirite / spirituall: when they which