The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

To this disputation pertaineth that which the D. else where ¹in synuateth / off the Magistrate comprised, albeit not expressed in the 12. 1. Corinth. under the word governments: but in an other treatise more plainly. in the first place to hale in the Archbishop / in the second to thrust out the elders: which notwithstanding is easily refuted by the same place. for if the civil magistrate should be comprehended under that word off government / and be one off the officers off the church there mentioned: it should follow that he should be an under officer / not only to the Apostles / but also to Prophets / and Doctors. For S. Paul putteth thes as the principallest ministries in the church: as the degrees off first, second, and third declare. But I think the D. will not make him under officer to all thes: therefore he is not comprehended under that division / but is of an other sort off officers. Secondly it should follow / that Christian magistrates were in that time / it being granted that the offices there reckoned / were already in the church. But the D. saith / that there were then no Christian magistrates: it followeth therefore by his own words / that the magistrate could nether be expressed / nor contained in those words. if it be said that although the D. say there were none / yet I / and the truth it self say otherwise: I answer that all the gifts / and offices there reckoned / were not only then / but were then most plentiful. Considering therefore that the Christian magistrate / was then a gift more rare then at other times after: ⟨p. CCCCXIX⟩it can not be that he is comprehended under that words Upon all which it falleth / that the Magistrate is head off the church as Andreas saith / in respect off that he exerciseth the sword. Likewise it goeth to ground which the D. putteth / that by the same reason the magistrate is head off the common wealth next under God, he may be also head off the church. Which is a gross petition of the principle / being nothing but the contrary off that I set down.

To this disputation perteineth that which the D. els where ¹in synuateth / off the Magistrate comprised, albeit not expressed in the 12. 1. Corinth. vnder the word gouernementes: but in an other treatise more plainly. in the fyrst place to hale in the Archbishop / in the second to thrust out the elders: which notwithstanding is easely refuted by the same place. for if the cyuill magistrate shoulde be comprehēded vnder that worde off gouernement / and be one off the officers off the church there mencioned: yt should followe that he should be an vnder officer / not onely to the Apostles / but also to Prophetes / and Doctors. For S. Paule putteth thes as the principallest mynisteries in the church: as the degres off first, second, and third declare. But I thincke the D. will not make him vnder officer to all thes: therfore he is not cōprehended vnder that diuision / but is of an other sorte off officers. Secondly yt should follow / that Christian magistrates were in that tyme / yt being graunted that the offices there reckned / were already in the church. But the D. saith / that there were then no Christian magistrates: yt foloweth therfore by his owne wordes / that the magistrate could nether be expressed / nor conteined in those wordes. yf yt be said that althowgh the D. say there were none / yet I / and the trwth yt selfe saie otherwise: I answer that all the gyftes / and offices there reckned / were not onely then / but were then most plentifull. Considering therfore that the Christian magistrate / was then a gifte more rare then at other times after: