The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Moreover he could not be ignorant by the course off disputation / that when I said / if ambition only were reprehended in the disciples: I meant that, if our S. Christ had forbidden his disciples ambitious desire off rule one over an other, and not rule it self: which doth manifestly touch the cause. Thus partly with a manifest untruth / partly with a trifling cavil / which (if it were true) maketh nether hot / nor cold: it seemeth he would have cast a mist before his readers eyes / that he should not see him give the slip from my first argument in this divis. For unto this reason / that in that sense off the place which he ⟨p. CCCCXXXIIII⟩setteth down, the answer off our Saviour Christ should not have benefit: considering the Disciples might have replied, that he forbade tyrannical rule of their inferiors, but they desired moderate, and well ruled government: he answereth not a word. To his answer unto the second reason / that they are called bountiful, which have no spark of bountifulness: I reply that although that may sometimes come to pass / yet it should have been out of time / to have made mention of it here in that sense. For if as you say / our Saviour speak here against the tyranny, and ambition of Princes: then it was out off place to make mention off the flattery off their subjects / which call them by the title off bountiful. For that is rather the fault off the subjects / then off the Princes. If you say that they desire that title: first the words off S. Luke do not bear it out: for he saith they are called gracious Lords / and not they desire to be so called. Then it being a thing not simply unlawful / for a Prince to desire to be called / and counted bountiful / to this end that by that fame men might be more serviceable: although it should be granted to you / that S. Luke meant that they desire that title: yet forasmuch as there is no stain off ambition / or tyranny in that desire / you are still behind with your answer.

Moreouer he coulde not be ignorant by the course off disputation / that vvhen I saied / yf ambition onely vvere reprehended in the disciples: I ment that, if our S. Christ had forbidden his disciples ambitious desyre off rule one ouer an other, and not rule it self: which doth manifestly towch the cawse. Thus partly with a manifest vntruth / partly with a trifling cauil / which (if it were true) maketh nether whoat / nor kold: it seemeth he would haue cast a mist before his readers eies / that he should not see him giue the slip from my first argument in this diuis. For vnto this reason / that in that sense off the place vvhich he