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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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If therefore he agree with the bishop (as he saith): he must allow 1off thes words off Cyprian / Christ by several duties, and distinct honours, hath here set a difference between both the ⟨p. CCCCXXVI⟩powers. And then doth Bucers authority fail him: who thinketh that those offices are not distinguished in those words (it shall not be so with you). and then also is he gone from his strongest hold / that our Saviour Christ, did only discern between the affections: when as it is said / that he discerned between the offices. Moreover then must he allow off Bernard's saying: it is plain that temporal dominion is forbidden the Apostles, now therefore thou being Pope how darest thou usurp ether the Apostleship being a prince, or the Princehood, being successor off the Apostle? doubtless from the one off them thou art forbidden, &c. And if he allow off this: then falleth he from his conning distinction / off having it ambitiously, and by election. For considering that Bernard saith / he is forbidden it / and speaketh not there against the abuse / but against the use off dominion in a bishop: it followeth that dominion nether falleth into a bishop / in that he is a bishop: nor can be received off him / being offered off the civil Magistrate. The reader therefore may see / that the exposition you follow off this place / doth quite overthrow the bishops answer / and openeth the Papists mouth which he had stopped.
Yf therfore he agree with the bishop (as he saith): he muste allow 1off thes wordes off Cyprian / Christ by seuerall dutyes, and distinct honours, hath here set a difference betvvene both the ⟨p. CCCCXXVI⟩povvers. And then doth Bucers autoritie faile him: who thincketh that those offices are not distinguished in those vvordes (it shall not be so vvith yovv). and then also is he goen from his strongest hold / that our Sauiour Christ, did onely discerne betwene the affections: when as it is saied / that he discerned betvvene the offices. Moreouer then must he allow off Bernardes saying: yt ys plaine that temporall domynion is forbidden the Apostles, novv therfore thovv being Pope hovv darest thovv vsurp ether the Apostleship being a prince, or the Princehood, being successour off the Apostle? doubtles from the one off them thovv art forbidden, &c. And if he allow off this: then falleth he from his conning distinction / off hauing it ambitiously, and by election. For considering that Bernarde saith / he is forbidden it / and speaketh not there against the abuse / but against the vse off dominion in a bishop: it followeth that domynion nether falleth into a bishop / in that he is a bishop: nor can be receiued off him / being offred off the cyuill Magistrate. The reader therfore may see / that the exposition yow follow off this place / doth quite ouerthrowe the bishops answer / ād openeth the Papistes mouth which he had stopped.