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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
as if he understood not that in the founding of the church / thes may be necessary / which afterward are not: which also being entreated off in an other place / needeth not here to be repeated.
as yf he vnderstood not that in the founding of the church / thes may be necessarie / which afterward are not: which also being intreated off in an other place / needeth not here to be repeated.
It is Calu. which reasoneth of the place of the Ephesians / that 1forsomuch as the Apostle saith / that the church is fully builded without a Pope: therefore there ought to be no Pope. and how slenderly soever he seemeth to the Ans. to have reasoned: yet shall it appear by the vanity of his exceptions against it / coming afterward to be discussed / that it is weighty. But where he saith / albeit the argument be good against the Pope, yet it is not so against the archbishop: onles he can exempt him by miracle / or teach us some other Logic then hath hitherto been heard off / the reason includeth him as well as the Pope. For if it be granted that the Popes office is therefore unprofitable to the church / because S. Paul made no mention off it in the ministries requisite for the building thereof there being like wise no mention off the office off an Archbishop / it must thereupon follow / that the archbishop also is unprofitable. if there be the same cause: there must follow the same effect. The reason added / off the Pope doing things which the archbishop doth not, claiming things which the archbishop claimeth not, &c. hath no place at all. for the question is not off the abuse / and tyranny off the Pope: but whether as it is unprofitable that one should govern all the churches in the world / so it be also that he should govern all in a whole province. And by the D. answer the office off Pastors should be unlawful / if they challenge unto them selves things unlawful: and the Popes office good / and lawful / if he bearing rule over all churches / would abstain from those / and such like challenges which the Ans. setteth down. The contrary whereof is true. For as the Pastors office can by no outrage of him that exerciseth it / be made unlawful: so the usage of dominion off one over all / be it never so moderate / and qualified can never be lawful. Last of all / the Archbishop him self / if he should challenge those things in his province / which the Pope