A18080:901
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Lastly you say the administration off discipline, and government in the Apostles, is fallen upon the Archbishops, and bishops, the overthrow off my whole assertion If a man will believe you speaking / he may: otherwise here is nothing but I said it. And surely it must be a very simple hold / that is cast down with this paper shot of bare affirmation. but if you will weigh a little what you say: you shall see that if there be any bullet at all in this your saying / it is charged wholly upon your self. For before you have said once / or twice that the office, and authority off an Archbishop was in the Apostles times. Which if it be true / how doth the Archbishop receive his authority off order / and government by their death? for having it before / he cannot receive it by their departure. Ether therefore this is untrue / that the archbishop exerciseth the same authority which the Apostles: or that which you said before / that the office off the Archbishop was in the Apostles time: or else this third is true / that he having in the Apostles time / authority which he hath now: by their death obtained beside their former authority / that which the Apostle had also. Which how near it ⟨p. CCCCLVIII⟩pricketh at the papacy / I leave to every one to consider. But if the Archbishop will succeed unto the administration off order / and government off the Apostles: why showeth he not his evidence? why bringeth he not forth his records of bequest / off resignation: that it may appear he is not entered as a trespasser.
Lastly yow say the administration off discipline, and gouernement in the Apostles, is fallen vpon the Archbishops, and bishops, the ouerthrow off my whole assertion Yf a man will belieue yow speaking / he may: otherwise here is nothing but I saied yt. And surely yt must be a very simple hould / that is cast downe with this paper shot of bare affirmatiō. but if yow will weigh a litle what yow say: yow shall see that if there be any bullet at al in this yowr saying / yt is charged wholy vppon yowr self. For before yow haue saied once / or twise that the office, and autoritie off an Archbishop was in the Apostles tymes. Which if yt be true / how doth the Archbishop receiue his auauritie off order / and gouernement by their death? for hauing yt before / he cannot receiue yt by their departure. Ether therfore this is vntrue / that the archbishop exerciseth the same autoritie which the Apostles: or that which yow saied before / that the office off the Archbishop was in the Apostles time: or els this third is true / that he hauing in the Apostles time / autoritie which he hath now: by their death obteined beside their former autoritie / that which the Apostle had also. Which how neere it