The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

It is Calu. which reasoneth of the place of the Ephesians / that ¹forsomuch as the Apostle saith / that the church is fully builded without a Pope: therefore there ought to be no Pope. and how slenderly soever he seemeth to the Ans. to have reasoned: yet shall it appear by the vanity of his exceptions against it / coming afterward to be discussed / that it is weighty. But where he saith / albeit the argument be good against the Pope, yet it is not so against the archbishop: onles he can exempt him by miracle / or teach us some other Logic then hath hitherto been heard off / the reason includeth him as well as the Pope. For if it be granted that the Popes office is therefore unprofitable to the church / because S. Paul made no mention off it in the ministries requisite for the building thereof there being like wise no mention off the office off an Archbishop / it must thereupon follow / that the archbishop also is unprofitable. if there be the same cause: there must follow the same effect. The reason added / off the Pope doing things which the archbishop doth not, claiming things which the archbishop claimeth not, &c. hath no place at all. for the question is not off the abuse / and tyranny off the Pope: but whether as it is unprofitable that one should govern all the churches in the world / so it be also that he should govern all in a whole province. And by the D. answer the office off Pastors should be unlawful / if they challenge unto them selves things unlawful: and the Popes office good / and lawful / if he bearing rule over all churches / would abstain from those / and such like challenges which the Ans. setteth down. The contrary whereof is true. For as the Pastors office can by no outrage of him that exerciseth it / be made unlawful: so the usage of dominion off one over all / be it never so moderate / and qualified can never be lawful. Last of all / the Archbishop him self / if he should challenge those things in his province / which the Pope ⟨p. CCCCL⟩challengeth over the world / should be by this reason as unlawful an officer as the Pope. Therefore this difference between the Archbishop / and Pope / being accidental / and not touching the nature off the government whereof we have to enquire / is unskilfully alleged. Yet it is the hole whereunto the Ans. is compelled divers times to have his recourse.

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