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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Against this is said / that God tieth not his gifts to a certain number off names, but bestoweth them where it pleaseth him. I spake not off ⟨p. CCCCLXIII⟩all gifts / but of gifts necessary to govern the church with all: and those being necessarily tied unto the offices which have / and ought to have / those names: all other church offices are shut forth / as those which are ether idle / or hurtful. That there are functions necessary Corinth. 12. not mentioned to the Ephesians, and again that the Apostle did not make a perfect division in ether off those places, is only to trifle out the time. forsomuch as I added expressly / that I grounded my reason off both places jointly besides that it is untrue that Deacons, and widows are left out to the Corinth. being contained in the word helps. Moreover this is the third contrary 1sentence / which he hath given off Corin. 12. for in the latin book he proveth / that there is no perfect division there: in this he goeth 2about to prove by reason / and authority / that it is perfect: here he saith it is not perfect Such force hath the truth / that it maketh them all giddy / and turnesick that wrestle against it: not perfect, perfect, not perfect. so that the very Chameleon it self / could never so suddenly / and into so contrary colours change it self. Against his exception that there are reckoned up in those places offices which endured for a time: I grant there were so / but those ceasing (as hath been showed) their proper gifts also be gone with them. Where he addeth that he could tell me, that the church hath authority to appoint names, and offices: it is that in question / which he often saith / but never proveth. Touching Readers / it is answered: as for Catechists / they are to be discussed after.
Against this is saied / that God tieth not his giftes to a certein nombre off names, but bestoweth them where it pleaseth him. I spake not off ⟨p. CCCCLXIII⟩all giftes / but of giftes necessarie to gouerne the church with all: and those being necessarily tied vnto the offices which haue / and owght to haue / those names: all other church offices are shut forth / as those which are ether idle / or hurtfull. That there are functions necessarie Coriath. 12. not mentioned to the Ephesians, and againe that the Apostle did not make a perfect diuision in ether off those places, is onely to trifle owt the tyme. forsomuch as I added expressely / that I grounded my reason off both places ioyntly besides that it is vntrue that Deacons, and widowes are left owt to the Corinth. being conteined in the word helpes. Moreouer this is the third contrary