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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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The lords priests / and Sacrifices were before the priests / and sacrifices off the Gentiles. therefore that exception (God instituted 1priests and sacrifices though the Gentiles had the like) •• vain to prove that there may be Archbishops / as there were Archflamines. A King was necessary for the Israelites, to shadow out to them the kingdom of our S. Christ: therefore that example is out of place. To prove conformity between the people of God / and Idolaters in things which are not necessary / as the Archbishopric is confessed / beside that it is an evil conclusion / to say there may be conformity between the people off God / and Idolaters in civil affairs / therefore in ecclesiastical: to ordain a bishop, and minister being the institution of God / in every church where there was other a flamen, or mass priest, can not be said to be framed according to those orders. But to ordain an Archbishop not instituted off God / both in that place where the Archflamen was / and with that rule / and authority over the bishops / which the archflam. had over their flamens: can not be imagined / but to have been framed according to that Idolatrous function. If you will therefore make the like: you must prove that as it is the institution of God / that in every church there should be a bishop / or minister: so it is likewise his institution / that in every great city / there should be an Archbishop. The allegation out of master Fox in the next / pertaineth not to this place. For the question is not here / whether the Archbishops came in stead off Arflamines / but whether S. Peter did ordain archbishops in place off the archflamines: which I assure my self you can not show out off him.
The lordes preistes / and Sacrafices were before the preistes / and sacrifices off the Gentills. therfore that exception (God instituted 1preistes and sacrifices though the Gentils had the like) •• vaine to proue that there may be Archbishops / as there were Archflamines. A Kinge was necessarie for the Israelites, to shadow owte to thē the kingdome of our S. Christe: therfore that exāple is owte of place. To proue conformite betwene the people of God / and Idolaters in thinges which are not necessarie / as the Archebishoprick is confessed / beside that yt ys an euill conclusion / to saie there maie be conformitie betwene the people off God / and Idolaters in cyuill affaires / therfore in ecclesiasticall: to ordeine a bishopp, and mynister being the institution of God / in euery churche where there was other a flamen, or masse preiste, can not be saide to be framed according to those orders. But to ordeine an Archbishop not instituted off God / bothe in that place where the Archflamen was / and with that rule / and autoritie ouer the bishopes / which the archflam. had ouer their flamēs: can not be imagined / but to haue bene framed according to that Idolatrous function. Yf yow will therfore make the like: yow must proue that as yt ys the institucion of God / that in euery churche there sholde be a bishop / or mynister: so yt ys likewise his institution / that in euerie greate cytie / there shoulde be an Archbishop. The allegation owte of maister Fox in the nexte / perteineth not to this place. For the question is not heere / whether the Archbishops came in steede off Arflamines / but wether S. Peter did ordeine archbishops in place off the archflamines: which I assure my selfe yow can not shew owte off him.