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The rest of the second reply of Thomas Cartvurihgt [sic]The rest of the second replie of Thomas Cartvurihgt [sic]
The rest of the second reply of Thomas Cartvurihgt [sic]: against Master Doctor Vuhitgifts second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe rest of the second replie of Thomas Cartvurihgt [sic]: agaynst Master Doctor Vuhitgifts second ansvuer, touching the Church discipline
Basel: printed by Thomas Guarinus, 1577
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To that I alleged, that if the Ancients should not be under a Christian Magistrate, it would follow that the lord should have less care of his church under a Christian, then under an unchristian Magistrate: he answereth, that the Christian Magistrate is in place of the Eldership, but nether addeth reason him self, nor once toucheth the reason which I brought, namely that it was never lawful for the church in persecution, to appoint any that should enter upon any part of the civil Magistrates office. This also could not be a sufficient recompense, in matters pertaining to the soul health, that for an Eldership in every church, they should receive one Prince in a whole country. For one Prince, can not in the spiritual government of the realm bring that to pas, which the Eldership in every church did before: although he should do nothing, but attend upon ⟨p. 50⟩that. So that to make the Magistrates to succeed into the office of the Elders, and therein to do all the duties appointed unto the Eldership in times past: is to charge the Magistrates with a thing unpossible, and such as must needs kill their consciences.
To that I alledged, that if the Auncientes should not be vnder a Christian Magistrate, yt vuould folovu that the lord should haue les care of his church vnder a Christian, then vnder an vnchristian Magistrate: he answereth, that the Christian Magistrate is in place of the Eldership, but nether addeth reason him self, nor once towcheth the reason which I browght, namely that yt vuas neuer lavuful for the church in persecution, to appoint any that should enter vpon any part of the ciuil Magistrates office. This also could not be a sufficient recompence, in matters pertayning to the soul health, that for an Eldership in euery church, they should receiue one Prince in a whole countrey. For one Prince, can not in the spiritual gouernment of the realm bring that to pas, which the Eldership in euery church did before: althowgh he should doe nothing, but attend vpon ⟨p. 50⟩that. So that to make the Magistrates to succede into the office of the Elders, and therein to doe al the duties appointed vnto the Eldership in tymes past: is to charge the Magistrates with a thing vnpossible, and such as must needes kyl their consciences.