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Acts and monuments of matters most special and memorable, happening in the Church. [vol. 2, part 2] with an universal history of the same, wherein is set forth at large the whole race and course of the Church, from the primitive age to these latter times of ours, with the bloody times, horrible troubles, and great persecutions against the true martyrs of Christ, sought and wrought as well by heathen emperors, as now lately practised by Romish prelates, especially in this realm of England and Scotland. Newly revised and recognised, partly also augmented, and now the fourth time again published and recommended to the studious reader, by the author (through the help of Christ our Lord) John Fox, which desireth thee good reader to help him with thy prayer.Actes and monuments of matters most speciall and memorable, happenyng in the Church. [vol. 2, part 2] with an vniuersall history of the same, wherein is set forth at large the whole race and course of the Church, from the primitiue age to these latter tymes of ours, with the bloudy times, horrible troubles, and great persecutions agaynst the true martyrs of Christ, sought and wrought as well by heathen emperours, as nowe lately practised by Romish prelates, especially in this realme of England and Scotland. Newly reuised and recognised, partly also augmented, and now the fourth time agayne published and recommended to the studious reader, by the author (through the helpe of Christ our Lord) Iohn Foxe, which desireth thee good reader to helpe him with thy prayer.
London: printed by John Daye, 1583London: printed by Iohn Daye, 1583
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Gage. Woodman, leave that pride. Do not trust so much to your own wit. Hearken to this man. This is a learned man, I tell you. He is known to be learned. For else he should not be allowed to preach before the Queens majesty: and I dare say he will tell thee nothing, nor will thee to do nothing, but that he will do himself: and I dare say he will not go to the Devil to bring the thither: How say you M. Doc.? Thou mightest think us mad, if we would hurt our selves to hurt thee. No I promise thee, my brother, neither I, nor no gentleman in the Country, I think of my conscience, but would thou shouldst do as well as their own bodies and souls, as a great many of them have said to thy face whilst thou wast at my brothers, the which thou canst not deny.
Gage. Woodman, leaue that pride. Do not trust so muche to your own wit. Harken to this man. This is a learned man, I tell you. He is knowne to be learned. For els hee shuld not be allowed to preach before the Queenes maiesty: and I dare say he will tell thee nothing, nor will thee to doe nothing, but that he will do himselfe: and I dare say he will not go to the Deuill to bring the thether: How say you M. Doc.? Thou mightest think vs mad, if we would hurt our selues to hurte thee. No I promise thee, my brother, neither I, nor no gentleman in the Country, I think of my conscience, but would thou shouldst doe as well as their owne bodyes and soules, as a great many of them haue sayd to thy face whilest thou wast at my brothers, the which thou canst not deny.
Wood. Sir, I can say none otherwise but I was gently entreated at your brothers, both with meat and drink & gentle words, both of you and him, and divers other gē tlemen: and I am sure you nor they can say, that you found me unreasonable at any time. For I said I was contented to learn of them that were able to teach me, and so I am, as God knoweth: and here M. Doctor (I think) can say no otherwise: for I dare say he can find no fault in the talk that we have had.1
Wood. Sir, I can saye none otherwise but I was gently entreated at your brothers, both with meate and drynke & gentle wordes, both of you and him, and diuers other gē tlemen: and I am sure you nor they can say, that you foūd me vnreasonable at any time. For I sayde I was contented to learne of them that were able to teache me, and so I am, as God knoweth: and here M. Doctour (I think) can say no otherwise: for I dare say he can find no fault in the talke that we haue had.1
Lang. No marry, I can find nothing else in you, I promise you master Gage, if you had been here, you would have said so your self. He took me up in deed, and said he marvelled how I durst preach. For he said, I understood not the scripture, but as far as natural reason comprehended? as though he understood all, and I nothing. With divers other such like words he made a great complaint to him on me, & said to master James Gage, he would make you believe that I could find no fault in in him. Yes iwis: he denieth original sin.
Lang. No mary, I can finde nothing els in you, I promise you mayster Gage, if you had bene here, you woulde haue sayd so your selfe. He tooke me vp in deede, and sayd he maruailed how I durst preach. For he sayde, I vnderstoode not the scripture, but as farre as naturall reason comprehended? as though he vnderstoode all, and I nothing. With diuers other such like words he made a great complaint to him on me, & sayd to mayster Iames Gage, he would make you beleue that I could finde no faulte in in him. Yes iwis: he denieth originall sinne.
Gage. Yea? doth he so? by S. Mary that is a great matter, Woodman: leave that pride. That pride will come to naught. Can ye live without sin?
Gage. Yea? doth he so? by S. Mary that is a great matter, Woodman: leaue yt pride. That pride wil come to naught. Can ye liue without sinne?
Wood. Sir, now I perceive he will soon lye on me behind my back, when he will not stick to lye before my face. He saith I denied original sin: and it was he himself, as I will let you be judge in the matter. For as he went about to prove that man hath free will, he said we were set as free by the death of christ,1 as Adam was before his fall: which words prove plainly that we have no original sin: And I took him withal, & said: had Adam original sin before his fall? and then he could not tell what to say but cavilled with words, and said he meant not so: and therefore I marvel he is not ashamed to make such lies to my face, These words made them both astonied.
Wood. Sir, now I perceiue he will soone lye on me behinde my backe, when hee will not sticke to lye before my face. He sayth I denied originall sinne: and it was he hymselfe, as I will let you be iudge in the matter. For as hee went about to proue that man hath free will, he sayd wee were set as free by the death of christ,1 as Adam was before his fall: which wordes proue playnely that we haue no original sin: And I tooke him withall, & sayd: had Adam originall sinne before hys fall? and then hee coulde not tell what to say but cauilled with wordes, and sayd he meant not so: and therefore I maruell he is not ashamed to make such lies to my face, These wordes made them both astonyed.
Gage. M. Doctor he said even now you could find no fault in all his talk. I will bid you ask him a question, that I will warrant you shall find fault enough, I pray you ask him how he believeth in the Sacrament of the Altar. I think he will make but a bad account thereof.
Gage. M. Doctour he sayd euen now you coulde finde no fault in all his talke. I will bid you aske him a question, that I will warrant you shall finde faulte enough, I pray you aske hym howe he beleeueth in the Sacramente of the Aultar. I thinke hee will make but a bad accompte thereof.
Wood. Yes, I will make account good enough of that, by Gods help.
Wood. Yes, I wil make accompt good enough of that, by Gods helpe.
Lang. Well, how say you to the sacrament of the altar?
Lang. Well, how say you to the sacrament of the aultar?
Wood. I say I know no such sacrament, unless Christ be the altar that you mean.
Wood. I say I know no such sacrament, vnlesse Chryst be the aultar that you meane.
Gage. Lo, I told you, you should soon find fault in him if you came to that point with him. You should have begun with that first, and never have talked with him about other things. What?1 know ye not the sacrament of the altar?
Gage. Lo, I told you, you should soone finde fault in him if you came to that poynt with him. You shuld haue begun with that first, and neuer haue talked with him about other thinges. What?1 know ye not the sacrament of the aultar?
Wood. No sure, I know no such, unless christ be the altar that you mean: for Christ is the altar of all goodness. And if you mean Christ to be the altar of the sacrament you speak of, you shall soon hear my mind and belief therein.
Wood. No sure, I know no such, vnlesse christ be the aultar that you meane: for Christ is the aultar of al goodnes. And if you meane Christ to be the aultar of the sacrament you speake of, you shall soone heare my minde and beliefe therein.
Lang. Well, we mean Christ to be the altar. Say your mind, and go briefly to work: for I think it almost dinner.1
Lang. Well, we meane Christe to be the aultar. Say your minde, and go briefly to worke: for I thinke it almost dinner.1
Gage. I pray you go roundly to work, that you may make an end before dinner.
Gage. I pray you go roundly to worke, yt you may make an end before dinner.
Woodman. Yes, you shall soon hear my mind therein by Gods help. I do believe that whensoever I come to receive the sacrament of the body and blood of Jesus Christ being truly ministered according to Christs Institution I believing that Christ was borne of the virgin Mary, & that he was crucified on the cross, and shed his blood for the remission of my sins, and so take and eat the sacrament of bread and wine in that remembrance, that then I do receive wholly Christ, God and man, mystically by faith. This is my belief of the sacrament, the which no man is able to disprove.
Woodman. Yes, you shall soone heare my minde therin by Gods helpe. I doe beleue that whensoeuer I come to receaue the sacrament of the body and bloud of Iesus Christ being truely ministred according to Christes Institution I beleuing that Christ was borne of the virgine Mary, & that he was crucified on the crosse, and shed his bloude for the remission of my sinnes, and so take and eate the sacrament of bread and wine in that remembraunce, that then I doe receiue wholy Christ, God and manne, mistically by fayth. This is my beliefe of the sacrament, the whiche no man is able to disproue.
Lang. Sir, you see not so much in it as I do. For he goeth craftily to work: I tell you, as I have heard. For though he have granted that the faithful receiver receiveth the body of Christ, God and man, yet he hath not granted that it is the body of Christ before it be received, as you shall see by and by I warrant you, by his own words.1 How say you? is it the body of Christ as soon as the words be spoken by the Priest or not? for these words will try him more then all the rest.
Lang. Sir, you see not so much in it as I do. For he goeth craftely to worke: I tell you, as I haue heard. For though he haue graunted that the faythfull receauer receaueth the body of Christe, God and man, yet hee hath not graunted that it is the body of Christe before it bee receaued, as you shall see by and by I warrant you, by hys owne wordes.1 How say you? is it the body of Christ as soone as ye words be spoken by the Prieste or not? for these wordes will try hym more then all the rest.
