A18080:1034
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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When therefore the Bishops of Alexandria so famous / are not red to have had bishoply authority off any Province / but are contained within the circuit off one city / until the time off Cyprian / and Cornelius: it appeareth not only that the D. hath been abused in thes words off Eusebius: but that this ought to be an other mark to know / that nether Cyprian / nor Cornelius had any Bishoplicke authority at all / further then the cities wherein their churches were. And withal appeareth the cause / why Euseb. did no more particularly / restrain the bishopric off Demetrius unto Alexandria: namely for that he had so often spoken before of the precincts of that bishopric. The next diu. hath nothing worth answer: being only that which I in few words subscribed unto. Saving this / that Cyprian was Pupianus bishop: which maketh nether hot / nor cold unto this question: seeing that Pupianus was no bishop / but one that sometime had been off Cyprian's church. But of answer to my argument (that forasmuch as Cyprian condemneth the pride of Pupian, for ⟨p. DXLV⟩that his deed was like, as if one should be appointed bishop of a bishop, or judge of judge: there is no news. whereas if it were not a proud thing / to be bishop of a bishop / &c. Cypr. did with no good advise / set out the fault of Pupian by those words. And that Cyprian complaineth not off any wrong done to him as archbishop (which the Ans. afraid to affirm / would have his reader think.) but only as he was Bishop it appeareth manifestly by divers places / in that he denieth that he pressed him with further authority, then that which all bishops had by succession unto the Apostles. That Cyprian did not object this, to appoint him self bishop of a bishop, as a proud name, but as a proud deed: is a poor exception. for if it were a proud deed / to exercise the office off bishop over a bishop: it must be also a proud name / to be called the bishop: off a bishop.
When therfore the Bishops of Alexandria so famous / are not red to haue had bishoply autoritie off anie Prouince / but are conteined within the circuit off one citie / vntill the time off Cyprian / and Cornelius: yt appeareth not onely that the D. hathe bene abused in thes wordes off Eusebius: but that this owght to be an other marke to know / that nether Cyprian / nor Cornelius had any Bishoplicke autoritie at all / further then the cyties wherin their churches were. And withall appeareth the cawse / why Euseb. did no more particularly / restreine the bishoprick off Demetrius vnto Alexandria: namely for that he had so often spoken before of the precinctes of that bishoprick. The next diu. hath nothing worth answer: being onely that which I in few wordes subscribed vnto. Sauing this / that Cyprian was Pupianus bishop: which maketh nether whot / nor kolde vnto this question: seing that Pupianus was no bishop / but one that sometime had bene off Cyprians churche. But of answer to my argument (that forasmuche as Cyprian condemneth the pride of Pupian, for