A18080:1039
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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After he saith / he would not have suffered them if they had been off his own charge: which is a gross begging off that in question. for it is debated whether he had any bishops under his charge. And what manner off interpretation is this / we do violence to none, nor appoint laws to none, that is to none in other Provinces? and every bishop hath power of the government of of his own church, that is every bishop out off Cyprian's province? what a cold saying should this be / that nether he / nor any of his fellows / used violence towards bishops off other Provinces? With whom they having so small intercommuning / could scarce use violence if they would. Or to say they appointed no laws / to whom they had no colour to give any? And as this interprepretacion having lien in the Ans. rack / is pulled out of all the joints; so that it is utterly false / may appear by that before alleged ⟨p. DXLIX⟩/ out off the Council off Carthage: Where words of like effect are uttered by Cyprian / unto the bishops off the same Province he was of. Last of all / because I may not have that credit which the Ans. to understand this place off Cyprian: yet I trust 1he vvill believe Musculus. Who of this place / and others concludeth / that when Cyprian wrote, he did never so much as think off the power off Patriarchs, off Metropolitans, off the bishop off Rome: but esteemed that all bishops ought to have like care, and power, every one in his own church. So beside this testimony / that Cyprian's priest was nether Patriarch / nor Metropolitan: he hath also that he was bishop of one church / which is that I have affirmed. For the authority which the archbishops / and bishops have ▪ there is an other place: it is sufficient here to show / that they had no jurisdiction one over an other in Cyprian's times. That out off Cyprian / touching ministers sacrificing: is before answered.
After he saith / he would not haue suffered them if they had bene off his owne charge: which is a grosse begging off that in question. for yt is debated whether he had any bishops vnder his charge. And what manner off interpretacion is this / vve do violence to none, nor appointe lavves to none, that is to none in other Prouinces? and euery bishop hathe povver of the gouernment of of his ovvne churche, that is euery bishop owte off Cyprians prouince? what a kold saying should this be / that nether he / nor any of his fellowes / vsed violence towardes bishops off other Prouinces? With whom they hauing so small intercommuning / could scarce vse violence if they would. Or to say they appointed no lawes / to vvhom they had no coulor to gyue any? And as this interprepretacion hauing lien in the Ans. rack / is pulled owt of all the ioyntes; so that it is vtterly false / may appeare by that before alledged