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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Tract. 2. and 3. according to the D. Off election of the minister.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Where you say / but admit all these impossibilities: No admit nothing: hold all that you have / for all is to little. Whatsoever pertaineth to this cause / we are (God be praised) able to get it at the swords point / I mean off the word off God. you take me up (for if and and) In all my whole book where have I so many / as you have in diverse pages? But what are thes doubtful doubts? In your first if (which is if the parish be wholly or the most part ignorant) for parish / you should have put church / that is to say / the number off those which do profess the gospel off Christ. For as in the time off persecution / when there is no Christian magistrates / the church severeth those / which being off the paris he / are none off the church: so when there is a Christian magistrate / he ought to provide / that those which are not off the church / thrust not in them selves into such affairs / as (because they are none off the church) they have nothing to do with. Other wise in that point / the church should be in worse case under a Christian magistrate / then without him: Which were absurd. So your first question is answered / that the church off God is not ignorant / nor unable to judge off the soundness off Doctrine.
Wher yowe say / but admit all these impossibilities: No admitte nothinge: hould all that yow haue / for all is to litle. Whatsoeuer perteineth to this cause / we are (God be praised) able to gett it at the swordes pointe / I meane off the word off God. yow take me vpp (for if and and) In all my whole booke vvhere haue I so manie / as yow haue in diuerse pages? But vvhat are thes dowtfull dowtes? In your first if (which is if the parishe be vvholy or the most parte ignorant) for parishe / yow should haue put church / that is to saie / the number off those which doo professe the gospell off Christ. For as in the time off persequution / when there is no Christian magistrates / the churche seuereth those / vvhiche being off the paris he / are none off the church: so when there is a Christian magistrate / he owght to prouide / that those vvhich are not off the churche / thrust not in them seiues into suche affaires / as (because they are none off the church) they haue nothing to do vvith. Other wise in that pointe / the church should be in vvorse case vnder a Christian magistrate / then without him: Which were absurde. So your first question is answered / that the church off God is not ignorant / nor vnable to iudge off the soundnes off Docrine.