The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Before I goo any further / it is to be observed / that although ¹the Ans. hold out in the defence off this cause / off election by the Bishop / certain words of learned men / racked from their meaning / and contrary to the continual practise off the authors: yet the truth is / that as this assertion is the Papists / and Papists against the Protestants: so all his principal both arguments / and solutions have been word for word / ministered unto him out off the books / off the rankest enemies off the truth. ²If the reader will see this question deduced at large / between the catholics / and the papists: let him read Hosius / and Phigius / in thes books which I have noted. I will only note the places whence the Ans. arguments are fetched / with his starting holes wherewith he would abuse the world. And first off all Marsilius a Catholic / whom the lord had stirred up to maintain the truth off the Gospel / About the time off Pope John the 12. disputing against the sole election off the bishop: useth this reason which we have here in hand / namely / that forasmuch as the church chose here Deacons / as it appeareth in the Acts: therefore it ought much more choose her ministers. This reason Phigius (as the D) derideth: no more able to answer it then he.

Before I goo any further / yt is to be obserued / that althowghe ¹the Ans. holde owte in the defense off this cawse / off election by the Bishope / certeine wordes of learned mē / racked from their meaninge / and contrarie to the continual practise off the authors: yet the trwthe is / that as this assertion is the Papistes / and Papistes againste the Protestantes: so all his principall bothe argumentes / and solutions haue bene worde for worde / ministred vnto him owte off the bokes / off the ranckeste enemyes off the trwthe. ²Yff the reader will see this question diducted at large / betwene the catholikes / and the papistes: let hym reade Hosius / and Phigius / in thes bokes which I haue noted. I will onely note the places whēce the Ans. argumētes are fetched / with his startinge holes vvherwithe he vvoulde abuse the worlde. And firste off all Marsilius a Catholike / whome the lorde had stirred vpp to mainteine the trwthe off the Gospell / Aboute the time off Pope Iohn the 12. disputinge againste the sole election off the bishope: vsethe this reason whiche wee haue heere in hande / namelie / that forasmuche as the churche chose here Deacons / as it appearethe in the Actes: therfore yt owghte muche more chuse her mynisters. This reason Phigius (as the D) derideth: no more hable to answer yt then he.