The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Where you say / that Saint Paul might have chosen them him self, if he would: I say that it is untrue / and a manifest begging of that in controversy. And to say so is as much / as if you had said: he might have hazarded his good estimation if he would / and left it at the courtesy off quarrellers / which sought every occasion of speaking evil of his ministry Beside that you must understand / that in the government of the churches / the Apostles were governed by the spirit of God: whose counsel when this was / it was no more lawful for him to refuse it / than to disobey the ⟨p. CCXI⟩lord. Touching the untruth he chargeth me with / in that I said / ¹the church chose 1. Act. it is before answered. And it is a vain quarrel of the A. that there was no election off the church, because an Apostle may not be chosen by men. As though I had not set down before / when I spake off that election / that I mean not the choice / which was made off one out off those two: but the choice off those two out of the whole church: not that choice which determined / the Apostleship / but which determined / who they should stand for the Apostleship. And if no election of the church can be said to have been in the first off the Acts / because an Apostle can not be chosen off any / but off God alone: then can not the Apostles (which the D. affirmeth) be said to have chosen Matthias and Barnabas / out of the rest off the church.

Where yow saie / that Saint Paule mighte have chosen them him selfe, if he woulde: I saie that it is vntrue / ād a manifeste begginge of that in controuersie. And to saie so is asmuche / as if yow had saide: he mighte haue hazarded his good estimacion if he woulde / and lefte it at the curteousye off quarellers / which sowghte euery occasion of speakinge euil of his ministerie Beside that yow muste vnderstande / that in the gouernmente of the churches / the Apostels vvere gouerned by the spirite of God: whose counsaile when this was / it was no more lawful for him to refuse yt / thē to disobey the ⟨p. CCXI⟩lorde. Touching the vntrewth he chargeth me with / in that I saide / ¹the churche chose 1. Act. it is before answered. And it is a vaine quarell of the A. that there was no election off the church, becawse an Apostel maie not be chosen by men. As thowghe I had not set downe before / when I spake off that election / that I mean not the choise / which was made off one owte off those two: but the choise off those two owte of the whole churche: not that choise which determined / the Apostellshipp / but which determined / who they shoulde stande for the Apostelship. And if no election of the church can be saide to haue beene in the fyrste off the Actes / because an Apostell can not be chosen off any / but off God alone: then can not the Apostels (which the D. affirmeth) be saide to haue chosen Matthias and Barnabas / owte of the reste off the churche.