The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright

Where you say / that it is commendation unto the magistrate to correct such disordered persons: you say well / but smally to the purpose / smally to your advantage. For if the church hath by benefit of the Christian magistrate / besides her own censures / his help off civill punishments for repressing sin: she having better means to weed out the wicked then be fore / may be more easily discharged of those unprofitable burdens. I have not therefore transferred the faults off men unto the government: but you have laid to my charge / that which your self fault in / and I before confuted. The form off election in the Apostles time, is not changed by the magistrates confirmation. For beside that that is properly no part off the election / but a thing which followeth it: this right off confirmation of elections / was in the Apostles. times. And although the practise was not general / yet there being even in in their times some Christian magistrates / as appeareth by that which hath been spoken: there can be small doubt / but this form off election had in certain places / even during the Apostles times / his approbation. If it had not / yet the form thereof is no more changed thereby: then the form of preaching / and administering the Sacraments / when the magistrate did not allow of them / differeth from that which is now / when he maintaineth them. so appeareth that the magistrates confirmation / standeth without breach of the Apostical form of election: which he denieth.

Where yow saie / that it is commendation vnto the magistrate to correcte such disordered persons: yow saie well / but smally to the pourpose / smally to your aduantage. For if the church hath by benefite of the Christian magistrat / besides her owne censures / his helpe off ciuill punishmentes for repressing synne: she hauing better meanes to weed oute the wicked thē be fore / maie be more easely discharged of those vnprofitable burdens. I haue not therfore trāsferred the faultes off men vnto the gouernement: but yow haue laied to my charge / that which your felfe faulte in / and I before confuted. The forme off election in the Apostles tyme, is not chaunged by the magistrates confirmacion. For beside that that is properly no parte off the election / but a thing vvhich followeth yt: this right off confirmacion of elections / was in the Apostles. times. And althoughe the practise was not generall / yet there being euen in in their times some Christian magistrates / as appeareth by that which hath bene spoken: there can be small doubte / but this forme off election had in certeine places / euen during the Apostles times / his approbation. If it had not / yet the forme theroff is no more changed therby: then the forme of preaching / and administring the Sacramentes / when the magistrate did not allowe of them / differeth from that which is nowe / when he mainteineth them. so appeareth that the magistrates cōfirmatiō / standeth without breache of the Apostical forme of electiō: which he denieth.