A18080:587
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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As for Chrysostom / and Oecumenius / unto whom is added Beza pag 226. Where this is repeated: I answer at ones / that it seemeth violent that the Apostle using the word eldership / should shut forth those / which were properly called elders. And where I alleged pag. 226. that Chrysostom meant not by those words / to put a distinction between elders by age / and office: I was deceived. The occasion was / because he doth so in the same epistle / where he had no more cause then here: and not looking ⟨p. CCLXX⟩upon the the place when I wrote / I took one for another. But it is to be noted / that their interpretation is directly against the D. for Chrysostom affirmeth / that the Bishops off 1Ephesus (which appear to have been divers in the Acts) did lay on their hands: and Beza / that all those which had the ministry off the word, are meant by the word presbytery: So that by their judgement / one only did not ordain, nor lay on hands: both which the D. affirmeth. As for the other sentence off Chrysostom / with Theophilacte / although Paul left unto Tite to do those things which were joined with most honour: it followeth not / that he left them to be done otherwise / then himself did them.
As for Chrysostome / and Oecumenius / vnto whome is added Beza pag 226. Where this is repeted: I answer at ones / that yt semeth violent that the Apostle vsinge the worde eldershipe / shoulde shutte forth those / which were properly called elders. And where I alledged pag. 226. that Chrisostome ment not by those wordes / to put a distinctiō betwene elders by age / and office: I was deceiued. The occasion was / because he doth so in the same epistle / where he had no more cause then heere: and not lokinge ⟨p. CCLXX⟩vppon the the place when I wrote / I tooke one for another. But yt is to be noted / that their interpretation is directly againste the D. for Chrysostome affirmeth / that the Bishoppes off 1Ephesus (which appeare to haue bene diuers in the Actes) did lay on their handes: and Beza / that all those vvhich had the mynistrie off the vvorde, are meant by the vvord presbitery: So that by their iudgement / one onely did not ordeine, nor lay on handes: both which the D. affirmeth. As for the other sentence off Chrysostome / with Theophilacte / althowgh Paule lefte vnto Tite to doe those thinges which were ioined with most honour: yt foloweth not / that he lefte them to be doone otherwise / then himselfe did them.