A18080:582
The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
Title page typeset from the transcription.
Modern spelling is a reading aid: the words are the author’s, only the spelling is modernized. Original shows the page as printed, with the transcription marks.
Here cometh to be considered the A. dealing in the end off the book / where (charged with unfaithfulness for that as in this 1place / he would have in synuated / that the Adm. would have the people choose only) to prove him self guiltless / he allegeth a place of the Adm. wherein it is said / Then the election was made by common consent off the whole church. To this answer I rep• lied / that it was his oversight / that he took the people which is but a part of the church / to be all one with the church which is the whole / containing as well governors of the church / as the people, in which reply the D. crieth out off manifest falsification. Why so? forsooth because I left out this word whole: that is to say / because I spared him / and kept back a piece of his folly / and that with disadvantage off that which I pretended to prove. For the word church simply set down / doth comprehended as well the governors / as the people: how much more doth it comprehend them / when this word whole is added? And if it were falsely concluded off him against the Adm. that they would have the ministers to be called / allowed / and placed off the people / because ⟨p. CCLXVII⟩they said / that the election was made by common consent off the church: how much more is it falsely concluded of thes words off the Adm. the election was made by consent off the whole church? Thus appeareth that the D. together with his divinity / seemeth to have lost his common sense: it is time therefore to carry him out off the school to some other place / if peradventure by some sharper discipline / he might gather up him self again.
Here cometh to be considered the A. dealinge in the end off the booke / where (charged with vnfaithfullnes for that as in this 1place / he would haue in synuated / that the Adm. would haue the people chuse onely) to proue hym selfe giltles / he alledgeth a place of the Adm. wherin yt is said / Then the election vvas made by commen consent off the vvhole church. To this answer I rep• lied / that it was his ouersight / that he tooke the people which is but a parte of the church / to be al one with the church which is the whole / cōteininge as well gouernours of the church / as the people, in which replie the D. crieth owte off manifest falsification. Why so? forsooth because I lefte owte this worde whole: that is to saie / because I spared hym / and kepte backe a peece of his folie / and that with disaduantage off that which I pretended to proue. For the word church simply set downe / doth comprehended as well the gouernours / as the people: howe much more doth it comprehend them / when this worde whole is added? And if it were falsely concluded off him against the Adm. that they would haue the ministers to be called / allowed / and placed off the people / because