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The second reply of Thomas CartwrightThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright
The second reply of Thomas Cartwright: against Master Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Church disciplineThe second replie of Thomas Cartwright: agaynst Maister Doctor Whitgiftes second answer, touching the Churche discipline
Heidelberg: printed by Michael Schirat, 1575
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And where he saith / that herein although he hath left Calvin, yet he hath followed the judgement of other learned men: he may see that he hath not left Calvin only / but Muscul. Bulling. and Zuing. As for his learned men, I think verily that Pighius / Hosius / and others off that stamp excepted / he is not able to allege one / to confirm that Titus / and Timothy had only the election off the ministers. For those alleged / to prove that Timothy / and Titus did ordain / are nothing to the purpose: considering no man denieth ⟨p. CCLXXIIII⟩that: but that they ordained alone / was to be showed. And •• he had showed that they alone ordained / which he shall never do: yet is not the election off the people thereby shut out: forasmuch as election / and ordination are several things.
And where he saith / that herin althowghe he hath lefte Caluin, yet he hath folowed the iudgement of other learned men: he maie see that he hath not lefte Caluin onely / but Muscul. Bulling. and Zuing. As for his learned men, I thinke verely that Pighius / Hosius / and others off that stampe excepted / he is not hable to alledge one / to confirme that Titus / and Timothe had onely the election off the ministers. For those alledged / to proue that Timothe / and Titus did ordeine / are nothinge to the purpose: considering no man denieth ⟨p. CCLXXIIII⟩that: but that they ordeined alone / was to be shewed. And •• he had shewed that they alone ordeined / which he shall neuer doo: yet is not the election off the people therby shut owte: forsomuche as election / and ordination are seuerall thinges.
What ether godliness / or honesty is in him / which dare so bare faced deny / things so openly untrue: I will leave to be judged 1of that which is said / touching that the election doth not belong unto the bishop alone / but unto the church. Here I will show that not so much as the ordination / can by the testimony of the ancient fathers / or councils agree unto one bishop only: which is another point that he would have the reader believe / and therefore ought ether to have showed it / or else to have holden his peace: seeing none ever denied / that the bishop hath to do in the ordination. First it appeareth in Cyprian / that both in the province where he was / and in all other provinces almost / the next